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2025-02-18 05:37:27 -03:00
Hi Thomas,
For the signal communication between Labeler and Conveyor for the Copack Line, I just communicated with the person of Labeler manufacture and they can provide the both signal for the accumulation table gate operation.
From Labeler to Vetro
   81KA3 (relay) is for downstream accumulation alarm signal
From Vetro to Labeler
   80KA2 is for the labeler infeed gate close signal
Please find the attached schematics and if you have any questions, please let us know.
Thank you,
Taka
On 2024/09/30 15:56, Takahiro Ozawa wrote:
Hi Thomas、
Thank you for sharing the link. I can get it correctly.
I have added my comments below in red. If you have any questions, please let us know.
Also, I have attached the line control description we are thinking now for your reference.
If you have any comments, please let us know.
Thank you,
Taka
On 2024/09/26 11:07, Thomas Magnani - VMeccanica S.r.l. wrote:
Hi Takahiro
Eletrical office have some question:
1. We have foreseen in dressing and mayo lines cabinets  8 DI e 8 DO for signal exchange with:
1.      Blow molder   DO for downstream full detection for inhibit the bottle discharge from the blowmolder
                                 DI for restarting the blow molder once downstream conveyor full condition will be gone
2.      Filler      No any signal will be required for commnicating with Filler, I think.
3.      Labeler  For dressing line, we may need to consider the signal for gate control of the accmulation table same as Copack Line. For mayo line, we don't need any signal communication between Vetro and Shrink Labeler.
4.      Sealer  No any signal will be required for commnicating with Cap Sealer for dressing, I think.
1. In order to discharge copack line labeler on VMeccanica turning table we need a signal from the labeler to our turning table gate solenoid valve to activate the gate and we will send a signal to the labeler when the turning table is full to check if it is empty 
          Please find the attached schematics for the communication signal for the labeler.
            Labeler→Vetro
               Downstream Full Detection Signal (Same signal as the signal which used for infeed gate control)
               (I am requesting to Makro to send this signal to Vetro.)
           Vetro→Labeler
              Ready to Run Signal (No bottles on the accumulation table)
              (may be used AT-80KA2 (entry bottle) signal, I am thinking.)
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2. If VMeccanica copack and FS Jar cases conveyors ejectors need to be movable the ejector electrical cabinet needs to be powered  with 24V , shall we foresee a socket or a simple wire to the be connected in the cases conveyors cabinet (not supplied by VMeccanica)  I think socket is best way to disconnect the wiring. One clalification for this, we don't have 24V DC supply and as we mentioned for quotation, we only supply the 480V or 110V AC.
3. When VMeccanica copack and FS Jar cases conveyors ejector sensor is blocked by a photocell it can send a signal to:
1.      Cases conveyors powering cabinet (not supplied by VMeccanica) which will block conveyors running
2.      Cases sealer which will stop running and show an alarm to the operator
              Case supply will be fully manually, so we don't need any signal communication in order to stop the case conveyor and/or case sealer based on the condition of the ejected case. But, at least, we need the audible alarm for operator notice and it will be good enough for this purpose.
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1. The dressing and copack lines have special soft ejectors to avoid bumping glass containers against each others and crashing them. As discussed originally in the project quotation phase our engineering department and ejector manufacturer believe a discharge table with running chains can avoid glass containers breaking when ejected. On the contrary an inclined roller plate might not be sufficient. We offer you the possibility to reconsider and let us know ultimately next week if you would like to have this upgrade, see below current design and discharge table design. We highlight no extra motor gear is necessary.
         Upgrade means up charge.... ?  Also, one of my concern is I want to use the green highlighted portion for accumulation just before labeler.
         Let's discuss at next meeting on this week.
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Thanks
Best reguards
Thomas Magnani
**Da:** Fruttuoso MISSAGLIA
**A:** Thomas Magnani
**Oggetto:** Update riunione del 10/10/2024
Buongiorno Thomas,
Di seguito il feedback sulla riunione tenuta ieri, presso VMeccanica:
_VMeccanica 10 10 2024_
_Sul tratto delle linee bottiglie, lo scarto sarà gestirlo da Logicscontrol._
_Parliamo quindi delle tre linee con i codificatori 9750 che stamperanno su vetro e plastica, Dressing, FSJar, Copak._
_Dettaglio delle linee con PLC e non PLC_
- _Linea 22 Dressing 9750 cè un PLC._  
- _Linea 24 FSJar 9750 e 5800 non cè un PLC._
- _Linea 25 Copak 9750 e 5800 non cè un PLC._
_Non forniremo i 2200 in quanto sono fuori dallo scopo di fornitura._
_Nello scopo di fornitura, VMeccanica non predisporrà la parte elettrica di alimentazione dei codificatori. È a carico del cliente finale, la predisposizione dei relativi punti di alimentazione._
_I codificatori saranno forniti con i cavi con presa americana._
_VMeccanica dovrà fornire ladattatore per le prese americane, per i relativi collaudi presso VMeccanica._
_I test di FAT in VMeccanica saranno eseguiti con una tensione di 220Vac._
_Linee Scatole_ _saranno gestite da VMeccanica._
_Il caricamento è manuale quindi tra una scatola e laltra vi sarà la distanza, paria una scatola. Loperatore carica la scatola, la scatola va in un chiudi cartone e poi al codificatore 5800 e a seguire il controllo stampa._
_Velocità fissa dei nastri, tappeto liscio per il 5800 e per la stazione del controllo stampa._
_In tutte le soluzioni di controlli stampa, Markem-Imaje fornirà dei contatti puliti in uscita, per la gestione delle seguenti condizioni di:_
- _Camera Ready_
- _Good Read_
- _Bad Read_
_Buzzer per colonnina luminosa, richiesta da VMeccanica per 9750 / 5800, seguirà relativo aggiornamento._
_VMeccanica, ci darà documento che attesterà che utilizzeranno solamente il segnale di scarto, per la gestione dello scarto, del prodotto non letto correttamente._
_Soluzioni stand alone, senza la richiesta di scambi segnali tra i codificatori / quadro elettrico e le relative linee._
_Per quanto concerne il posizionamento dei dispositivi, si ricorda che le camere dei controlli stampa, dovranno essere posizionati adiacenti, alle teste di stampa dei sistemi di codifica. Il tutto per evitare che i prodotti ruotino o cambino di posizione, rispetto alle camere._
_Rimango a completa disposizione per eventuali ulteriori approfondimenti_
p.s. cortesemente potresti girarmi gli indirizzi e-mail dei tuoi colleghi che erano presenti, in quanto volevo condividergli le specifiche elettriche dei diversi dispositivi.
Buona Giornata
Fruttuoso Missaglia